Search Engine Ranking

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This is a popularity contest - a posting metric.
Each site is ranked by a recent Thread Count,
using a random spot check method -
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday data were taken.
On each forum, how many threads were generated in 3 days- July 28, 29, 30th, 2008?


Google SEO Forums (17)
Google AdWords Forums (7)
Google AdSense Forums (5)
Google Mixed Adwords/Adsense Forums (3)

SEO Optimisation Forums - Factors for Success
Updated 07-31-08 - Only the leftmost column,
and rightmost column were updated.

7-31-2008 Data

Rank

Data Mods
(alphabetical)

1.

157
threads
(was 20, on 8-11-06)

Digital Point Google Forum
Digital Point RULES!

Give Shawn a visit, especially his Free SEO Tools
Shawn has been very active at SEO Chat, and he has now created his own Google Forum(s).
My favorite(s).

Positive Factor: Minimal Ads

PR=6

Over time, Shawn has given us many great FREE SEO tools. I suspect that he could easily become Numero Uno in Google forums as well.

Straight talk, NO BS. That's why he has gained so much respect in the webmaster community.

Current Mods
Not shown

Old Mods
Crazy_Rob
disgust,
T0PS3O,
ViciousSummer

2.

61
threads
(was 71)

SeoChat - Google - Google

The price of freedom is vigilance -
if you step out of line here,
your peers will let you know very quickly.
Be civil, be tactful, and learn a ton.

Negative Factor: Ad servers are Slooowww. Flashing ads suck. I will NEVER click on a flashing ad, no matter what.

Departed Mods - dazzlindonna, EGOL, fathom, Jasonnyc, SEO_AM, Webby - then, Bernard, pk_synths, rustybrick, sufyaaan

TOS - Great knowledgeable folks, helpful attitudes, 100% FREE
No censorship (unless you are an idiot). The best stuff here, you can't see elsewhere.
More performance, less need to genuflect.
Straight shooters.
They name names, tremendously reducing BS posts, and limiting the generation of FUD (fear-uncertainty-doubt).
Readers can verify statements; not true of #2 below.

Old Mods -
ClickyB,
Foghorn,

New Mods -
GaryTheScuba,
JagNet,
pro_seo,
Visio

Departed Mods
brandall,
Phoenix,
scottfish,
seo_guy

3.

29
threads
(was 53)

WebMaster World - Forum 30 - Google News

The Forum, against which, ALL OTHERS must be compared! The Oldest and Biggest, most firmly entrenched, most conservative, most political.

Note that this forum is PRE-moderated - no one gets to see your post, until it has been approved (censored) - first by software, then by a moderator. Your initial thread post may never get online, or be quickly deleted, especially if it is Google-negative.

Negative Factor: Rude Flashing ad at top

TOS -
Most conservative, most censorship, most secretive.

URL censorship - no linking to anything - can't check any claims.
<snip>, <snip>, <snip>, 

Old Mods
lawman

New Mods
Receptional,
Robert_C,
Tedster

Departed Mods
Brett Tabke,
ciml,
vitaplease

4.

12
threads
(was 22)

V7N Google Forums - Forum 26 (was 20)


Positive Factor: No Flashing

TOS - None
RAT - Registration Agreement Terms

New Mods
GuyFromC,
Rankenstein

Departed Mods
awall19,
Ferre,
G10

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Rank

# of
Recent
Threads

5.

9
threads
(was 12)

Site Point Forums - Forum 177


Positive Factor: No Ads

FAQs

Guidelines

New Mods
Hartmann,
Sarah
Old Mods
beley,
iFroggy,
Departed Mods
aspen,
M. Johansson
moospot, 
Nicky,
stymiee,
TheOriginalH

6.

9
threads
(was 7)

Ozzu Google Forum - Forum 29


Positive Factor: No Ads

FAQ

Old Mods
ATNO/TW,
musik,
UNFLUX,
vetofunk
New Mods
613flavah, Daemonguy, digitalMedia, grinch2071, katana, joebert,
labrego, SB, spork, vetofunk,
Departed Mods
Axe,
Jess

7.

8
threads
(was 22)

WebWorkShop - SEO Forum - Google


Negative Factor: Rude FLASHING ADS
These drive me nuts, and away quickly.

TOS - Maybe you will like these.

Current Mods
None

Departed Mods
Mel,
Janeth

8.

8
threads
(was 17)

SEW Forums - Google Web Search -
   Forum 34 - Search Engine Watch Forums

Highly official site.
GoogleGuy, AdsenseAdvisor, and GMailRep
have already joined, due, no doubt,
to Danny Sullivan's excellent reputation.
Three other Google forums, as well!

Negative Factor: The most ads of any forum. The page trips over all the ads. I HATE the flashing ads - extremely distracting. I would ban them.

TOS - none FAQs (rather broad)
From respected guru Danny Sullivan at Search Engine Watch.

Should be much more popular - I don't know why it isn't. Maybe it's the ads, but bad ads don't seem to slow down SEOChat posting. Maybe it is perceived as "too official", and folks are reluctant to expose their ignorance, only to be "schooled" in public by the truly knowledgable? Dunno.

Old Mods
DaveN,
AussieWeb,

Departed Mods
Elisabeth,
oilman

9.

7
threads
(was 13)

Ihelpyouservices.com - Google Forum

-

Old Mods
Danny,
nuthin,
Departed Mods
qwerty

10.

7
threads
(was 4)

Webmaster Talk - Forums - Site Traffic - Google


Positive Factor: No Ads

TOS - Eh?

Old Mods
chrishirst,
DaveMo~
vangogh
New Mods
st0x

11.

5
threads
(was 7)

JimWorld - SE Marketing Forums - Google
Redirects to Search Engine Forums - Google -
SE Forums - Optimizing Website - Google

TOS - Maybe you will like this one.

Old Mods
g1smd
Logan

12.

2
threads
(was 4)

HighRankings.com - SE Optimization - Optimization Tips


Positive Factor: No Ads

TOS -
Head-mistress Jill Whalen - Jill seems to attract controversy. Just search for "Jill Whalen", and read.

Current Mods
Not shown
Old Mods
Alan Perkins,
Jill Whalen,
Scottie Claiborne

13.

2
threads
(was 4)

Cre8asite Google Forums - Forum 21


Positive Factor: No Ads

Rules

Old Mods
Black_Knight,
bwelford
plus 18 others

14.

0
threads
(was 4)

GeekVillage - Talk - Google

TOS - Eh?
BIG on site reviews

Team Geek
7 mods

15.

0
threads
(was 0)

SearchGuild - Forum 1 - Google
This forum is gone.

Positive Factor: No Ads

TOS - Maybe you will like this one.

(doesn't say)

16.

0
threads
(was 15)

Google Community Forums - Forum 1

Last post was made on Dec. 12, 2006

-

Old Mods
intelliot
Andylkl,
darrenstraight,geekerati,
mondine,
tokkolo
Departed Mods
Randy Johnson, Snake

17.

?
threads

Webmaster Forums -

No Google section - No optimization section

TOS - Google is scattered throughout
BIG on site reviews
Weird organization of threads

(various)

(1) After 20 posts, to check you out, some restrictions
(2) After 20 posts
(3) restricted - "nor do we allow link-dropping, except where absolutely necessary to the content of the post"

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Mods

Digital Point Adwords Forum - Forum 35
BIGGEST, and fastest growing

Current Mods
Doesn't say, but were-
Crazy_Rob,
disgust,
T0PS3O,
ViciousSummer

Webmaster World Adwords Forum - Forum 81
Losing ground

Old Mods
eWhisper
skibum
New Mod
buckworks
Departed Mods
mona

SEW AdWords Forum - Forum 31

Current Mods
AussieWebmaster,
Elisabeth
Jeff Martin,
OptimizeOnline

JimWorld Adwords Forum -
Redirects to Search Engine Forums - PPC
Forums - Marketing and Adv. - Pay per Click - Google, Yahoo and Others

Current Mods
flyingrose
MJR

Web-Mastery Adwords Forum - Forum 30 (was 13)
Forum gone, no redirect.

Current Mod
raven,
Departed Mod
webmastery

SEO Guy Adwords Forum - Forum 61
Access denied, registration required, no redirect.

Don't say, but previous mods were -
Cygnus,
dilligaf,
jlknauff,
jocelyn,
seobook

ABAKUS Adwords Forum - German language

Was
viggen,
relaxzoolander

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Mods

Digitalpoint Adsense Forum - Forum 27 -
BY FAR the BIGGEST, AND Fastest growing

Doesn't say, but were-
Crazy_Rob,
disgust,
T0PS3O,
ViciousSummer

Webmaster World Adsense Forum - Forum 89
Losing ground fast.

Old Mod
martinibuster
New Mod
jatar_k
Departed Mods
Jenstar,
mack

SEW Adsense Forum - Forum 30

New Mod
AussieWebMaster
Departed Mods
Elisabeth
Jenstar

Associate Programs Adsense Forum - Forum 28

Current Mod
Administrator

SEO Guy AdSense Forum
Access denied, registration required, no redirect.

Don't say, but previous mods were -
Cygnus,
dilligaf,
jlknauff,
jocelyn,
seobook

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Mods

SEO Chat (Adwords/AdSense) Forum - Forum 39

(More Adsense than Adwords)

Old Mods
FogHorn
New Mods
ClickyB,
GaryThe Scuba,
JagNet,
pro_seo, Visio
Departed Mods
Bernard
brandall,
Phoenix,
pk_synths,
rustybrick,
scottfish,
seo_guy,
sufyaaan

Google Community Adwords and Adsense Forum - Forum-2

Last post was made on Dec. 12, 2006

Old Mods
intelliot, Andylkl,
darrenstraight, geekerati,
mondine, tokkolo
Departed Mods
Randy Johnson, Snake,
AdsenseCoach,
joshq678

Webproworld Adsense/ Adwords Forum - Forum 35

Forum gone, no redirect.

Doesn't say, but were -
carju1,
dutter,
jmiller,
stithmeister

Also, note that WMW use Greenwich Time (UTC, Zulu), while all the others use Google California time.
California dates above are the 28th, 29th, and 30th (Digital Point).
Zulu time dates above are the 29th, 30th and 31st (WMW).
Which is which? I get confused. I don't care all that much to figure it all out.

I live in California, so I hate Zulu time on the forums, because it is always WRONG,
with respect to what is going on at Google RIGHT NOW (actually 8 hours wrong, 7 during PDST).

To me, and many others, GOOGLEBRAIN TIME is far more significant than "other hemisphere" Southern England Museum time. AND,

Google time (Mountain View) = MSN time (Seattle) = Yahoo time (Sunnyvale) = Silicon Valley Tech Time!

Maybe Google Time should become the world time standard. Perhaps, the fact that I am in the Google Time Zone, may be a factor here. Hardy-har-har.

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Censorship - the lack thereof
- - - Is it an "actual" forum - Or is it for the cognoscenti only? Is there a secret handshake?
- - - Can you speak? Or can you only hint?
- - - Can you drop URLs?
- - - Can your drop live URLs?
- - - Can you even hint at how to find a URL?
- - - Can you "out" thieving scoundrels? No, if there are many of them on the forum.
- - - Can you name names, so that others may judge for themselves?

Moderators
- - - Maturity and Attitude (BIG Factor)
- - - Motives (seeking ego massage, DMOZ editor mindset, in it for the money/power?)
- - - Degree of Participation (absentee owner, the quiet man, laissez faire, brood hen?)
- - - Control - Encourage Posters to respect their peers, and gently stomp those who don't

Information
- - - Best information (posted by most knowledgeable webmasters)
- - - Info Appears early because the forum is frequented by Alpha webmasters

Level
- - - Poster caliber and intelligence
- - - Respect for Peers

Focus
- - - Not all can be served - anything and everything to everybody
- - - Newbie focus? - Intermediate? - Sophisticated? - Paying Private Club?

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